Re: When everything is digital.. this happens..
By: Ogg to All on Fri Feb 24 2023 19:14:00

"a lot of younger female customers buying records. Now, it's
common to have 15-year olds coming in to buy everything from
old re-issues to new releases"

its not because the sound better on old record ?
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Re: When everything is digita
By: Gallaxial to Ogg on Sat Feb 25 2023 08:14 pm

"a lot of younger female customers buying records. Now, it's
common to have 15-year olds coming in to buy everything from
old re-issues to new releases"

its not because the sound better on old record ?

I disagree that records sound better than other formats.. But that's a debate of its own.

Nightfox

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Re: When everything is digita
By: Nightfox to Gallaxial on Sat Feb 25 2023 08:47 pm

Re: When everything is digita
By: Gallaxial to Ogg on Sat Feb 25 2023 08:14 pm

"a lot of younger female customers buying records. Now, it's
common to have 15-year olds coming in to buy everything from
old re-issues to new releases"

its not because the sound better on old record ?

I disagree that records sound better than other formats.. But that's a debate of its own.

They sound a Lot better.
softer, must more body to the music.

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** On Saturday 25.02.23 - 23:59, MRO wrote to Nightfox:

I disagree that records sound better than other formats.. But that's a
debate of its own.

They sound a Lot better.
softer, must more body to the music.

Vinyl is optimum only if they are completely dust-free, and if
the needle is replaced every 200-300 hrs of play. Without
that, over time, the sound becomes more muddled or cloudy (not
to mention damaging to the vinyl) - perhaps that is what some
people perceive as "softer".

Many early manufactured CD players were terrible, and produced
a harsh "edgy" sound. Over time, that contributed to what some
people reported as "listening fatigue". I experienced the
same. I had thought that I had purchased a fine player. The
sound was super clean and clear, but over time there was
something about the sound that wasn't confortable to the ears.

Later, I got a new player with a better D/A converter
technology, and the difference was significant.


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Nightfox wrote to Gallaxial <=-

I disagree that records sound better than other formats.. But that's a debate of its own.

Let's talk about the "loudness wars" if we're going to get into which
format sounds better. I'm now actively avoiding any CD that's been
remastered since 2010 or so, because it's remixed to sound better
through cheap earbuds. When I compare an older CD with the remaster
(bought the remaster to get some additional tracks not on the original
release) the remaster sounds *muddy* and loud.

Kids these days. They're missing out.



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Re: When everything is digita
By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Feb 26 2023 03:40 pm

They sound a Lot better.
softer, must more body to the music.

Vinyl is optimum only if they are completely dust-free, and if
the needle is replaced every 200-300 hrs of play. Without
that, over time, the sound becomes more muddled or cloudy (not
to mention damaging to the vinyl) - perhaps that is what some
people perceive as "softer".

my mom didnt do that shit and her records sounded better period.

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Re: When everything is digita
By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Feb 26 2023 03:40 pm

Vinyl is optimum only if they are completely dust-free, and if
the needle is replaced every 200-300 hrs of play. Without
that, over time, the sound becomes more muddled or cloudy (not
to mention damaging to the vinyl) - perhaps that is what some
people perceive as "softer".

Another problem with records is that there's more surface area toward the outer ege, which means there's less surface area for audio information as the needle moves toward the middle of the record, so the songs toward the outer edge will sound better than the songs toward the middle of the record.

Many early manufactured CD players were terrible, and produced
a harsh "edgy" sound. Over time, that contributed to what some
people reported as "listening fatigue". I experienced the
same. I had thought that I had purchased a fine player. The
sound was super clean and clear, but over time there was
something about the sound that wasn't confortable to the ears.

Later, I got a new player with a better D/A converter
technology, and the difference was significant.

I got my first CD player (a Sony Discman) in 1992, and I always thought the CD players I've had sounded good all the time.

Nightfox

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Nightfox wrote to Ogg <=-

Re: When everything is digita
By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Feb 26 2023 03:40 pm

Vinyl is optimum only if they are completely dust-free, and if
the needle is replaced every 200-300 hrs of play. Without
that, over time, the sound becomes more muddled or cloudy (not
to mention damaging to the vinyl) - perhaps that is what some
people perceive as "softer".

Another problem with records is that there's more surface area
toward the outer ege, which means there's less surface area for
audio information as the needle moves toward the middle of the
record, so the songs toward the outer edge will sound better than
the songs toward the middle of the record.

Well...... it's really not because of "surface area". It's due to the
faster speed of travel of the vinyl under the stylus at the outer parts,
which makes it easier to encode the data accurately (because you have a
longer distance for a given section of sound). Another factor is that
the angle of the stylus arm in relation to the groove gets more
pronounced as it gets toward the inner part of the record, thereby
introducing a form of distortion.



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Re: Re: When everything is digita
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Sun Feb 26 2023 09:34 pm

Another problem with records is that there's more surface area
toward the outer ege, which means there's less surface area for
audio information as the needle moves toward the middle of the
record, so the songs toward the outer edge will sound better than
the songs toward the middle of the record.

Well...... it's really not because of "surface area". It's due to the faster speed of travel of the vinyl under the stylus at the outer parts,

Yes, maybe I used the wrong phrasing.. But I think the outer edges of a disc move faster because the radius (and similarly surface area) is bigger there? Sort of splitting hairs there, perhaps.

which makes it easier to encode the data accurately (because you have a longer distance for a given section of sound).

Yes, that's the idea I was trying to convey. :)

Another factor is that
the angle of the stylus arm in relation to the groove gets more
pronounced as it gets toward the inner part of the record, thereby introducing a form of distortion.

Ah, that makes sense. I hadn't thought of that.

Nightfox

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Re: When everything is digita
By: Nightfox to Gallaxial on Sat Feb 25 2023 08:47 pm

Re: When everything is digita
By: Gallaxial to Ogg on Sat Feb 25 2023 08:14 pm

"a lot of younger female customers buying records. Now, it's
common to have 15-year olds coming in to buy everything from
old re-issues to new releases"

its not because the sound better on old record ?

I disagree that records sound better than other formats.. But that's a debate of its own.

They sound a Lot better.
softer, must more body to the music.

In my experience, they sound good when new, but the more you play
them the worse they get from the needle. Just my opinion...

Cougar

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Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Nightfox <=-

Nightfox wrote to Gallaxial <=-

I disagree that records sound better than other formats.. But that's a debate of its own.

Let's talk about the "loudness wars" if we're going to get into which format sounds better. I'm now actively avoiding any CD that's been remastered since 2010 or so, because it's remixed to sound better
through cheap earbuds. When I compare an older CD with the remaster (bought the remaster to get some additional tracks not on the original release) the remaster sounds *muddy* and loud.

Kids these days. They're missing out.

Oh... Dissapointed... Thought you were going to start a 'stereo
war'. My Sansui 9090db is better than your Technics junk! I was in
the army in the 80's and every room had a state of the loudness
stereo system in it. Those were the days...

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Quoting Nightfox to Ogg <=-

Discman, what about the Walkman? Cassettes have their own issues,
but you could record the album and walk around listening to it.

I got my first CD player (a Sony Discman) in 1992, and I always
thought the CD players I've had sounded good all the time.

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Re: When everything is digita
By: Cougar428 to NIGHTFOX on Wed Mar 01 2023 07:12 am

I got my first CD player (a Sony Discman) in 1992, and I always
thought the CD players I've had sounded good all the time.

Discman, what about the Walkman? Cassettes have their own issues,
but you could record the album and walk around listening to it.

Yes, I had a walkman before that. I had a good number of cassettes and enjoyed using them and recording songs from the radio, etc. I had a dual-cassete radio boombox at home for recording, but I really enjoyed having a cassette walkman too.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: When everything is di
By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed Mar 01 2023 07:09 am

Let's talk about the "loudness wars" if we're going to get into which

war'. My Sansui 9090db is better than your Technics junk! I was in

My approch has been to use digital files (high quality mp3 or flac) and a good stereo/speaker combo from the 70s. When the 80s came around and stereos went all electronic, it took them awhile to regain quality of tube amps from the 60's and 70's. So yeah, my Dynaco is better than your Sansui from the 80s :).

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Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

Oh... Dissapointed... Thought you were going to start a 'stereo
war'. My Sansui 9090db is better than your Technics junk!

Technics? Pah! My Harmon Kardon 330b would have something to say about
that.

I was given it when my mom moved out of the house I grew up in, I even
have all of the documentation from when they bought it in the 1970s.

https://classicreceivers.com/harman-kardon-330b





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Hello pF!

Technics? Pah! My Harmon Kardon 330b would have something to say about
that.

I was given it when my mom moved out of the house I grew up in, I even
have all of the documentation from when they bought it in the 1970s.

https://classicreceivers.com/harman-kardon-330b

No problem with the pots and switches after all these years?

My folks acquired a Clairtone + Gerrard turnable cabinet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clairtone

I can't find the actual photo of the receiver, but it was
loaded with all kinds of special options such as bass-boost,
treble boost, flipping L-R audio channels, re-directing the
phono output to one channel and having the radio on the other,
etc.

I think it was around 1962 when I was still pre-school age when
was allowed to operate it. The unit still served well into the
late 70's. But by then, some of the switches started to not
cooperate, and the tuner was having issues.

The first issue it developed was a grounding hum. A couple of
large capacitors had dried up. With the help of an
electronics/shop highschool teacher, the capacitors were
replaced successfully.

But the switches deteriorated soon after.


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Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

No problem with the pots and switches after all these years?

There's a little crackle here and there when turning one of the knobs,
but otherwise no.


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