• SyncTERM website...

    From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to All on Mon Dec 11 22:53:00 2023
    I just made a video about BBSes for YT - it sucks, but at least I tried...

    Question about SyncTERM, and the ST website - is there any interest in updating its style/website? Its... really retro - and fine for US, but is really a blockade for new users, or younger users... I want to bring m0re folks to BBSing and am willing to help - if allowed. Would DM, or the SyncTERM masters, be open to updating the SyncTERM website for 2o24?

    I think it would go a long way to help foster new users to our wonderful community. I am NOT a web dev, but I'm willing to help with time, effort and monetarily to update the SyncTERM web presence. We're a group of tech people - we all know that... but I think ST is worthy of the masses. Does anyone else, hopefully DM/Nightfox (I'm forgetting the dev of syncterm, aren't I... lol) and the rest of the Dovenet r0ckstars, feel the same???

    I know theres many here much m0re capable of an update than me - but I'd be willing to help as much as I can... can we?



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to paulie420 on Tue Dec 12 09:33:23 2023
    Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: paulie420 to All on Mon Dec 11 2023 10:53 pm

    Question about SyncTERM, and the ST website - is there any interest in updating its style/website? Its... really retro - and fine for US, but is really a blockade for new users, or younger users... I want to bring m0re folks to BBSing and am willing to help - if allowed. Would DM, or the

    anyone else, hopefully DM/Nightfox (I'm forgetting the dev of syncterm, aren't I... lol) and the rest of the Dovenet r0ckstars, feel the same???

    I can't say I really feel as strongly about it. I'm actually not sure there's anything really wrong with the SyncTerm web site.. One thing I actually like about that style of web page is that it's simple and loads fast, without a lot of added fluff (i.e., no ads!). I think that kind of web page helps you find what you're looking for more easily. What in particular would you change about it?

    SyncTERM masters, be open to updating the SyncTERM website for 2o24?
    I know theres many here much m0re capable of an update than me - but I'd

    "2o24", "m0re".. Is your keybaord broken? :P

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PAULIE420 on Tue Dec 12 09:27:00 2023
    Question about SyncTERM, and the ST website - is there any interest in updatin
    its style/website? Its... really retro - and fine for US, but is really a bloc
    de for new users, or younger users... I want to bring m0re folks to BBSing and
    m willing to help - if allowed. Would DM, or the SyncTERM masters, be open to dating the SyncTERM website for 2o24?

    A word of caution on websites... I don't mind them being "modern," but a
    lot of websites do things that break the browsers that a lot of us
    "techies" and BBS folks would be more likely to use, ex. links2 and other
    like browsers.

    I can remember back when they used to teach us that a website should always have a text only version that would load for disability readers... most
    web developers don't do even that any more.


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to paulie420 on Tue Dec 12 14:36:47 2023
    Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: paulie420 to All on Mon Dec 11 2023 10:53 pm

    Question about SyncTERM, and the ST website - is there any interest in updating its style/website? Its... really retro - and fine for US, but is really a blockade for new users, or younger users... I want to bring m0re folks to BBSing and am willing to help - if allowed. Would DM, or the SyncTERM masters, be open to updating the SyncTERM website for 2o24?

    Deuce is the master of the syncterm website, so you'd need to bring it up with him. He doesn't frequent DOVE-Net, but you can find him on irc.synchro.net (in #synchronet and other channels) and the syncterm support on sourceforge.net.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 16:09:14 2023
    Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Nightfox to paulie420 on Tue Dec 12 2023 09:33 am


    I can't say I really feel as strongly about it. I'm actually not sure there's anything really wrong with the SyncTerm web site.. One thing I actually like about that style of web page is that it's simple and loads fast, without a lot of added fluff (i.e., no ads!). I think that kind of web page helps you find what you're looking for more easily. What in particular would you change about it?

    we won't have any 'young' users, or any people that can't navigate a website. that is if you dont factor in people who call bbses once and never again.

    maybe he thinks we need some giant green animated arrow that says "DOWNLOAD HERE"


    SyncTERM masters, be open to updating the SyncTERM website for 2o24?
    I know theres many here much m0re capable of an update than me - but I'd

    "2o24", "m0re".. Is your keybaord broken? :P


    he has a case of the krads
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Tue Dec 12 15:42:05 2023
    Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 2023 04:09 pm

    we won't have any 'young' users, or any people that can't navigate a website. that is if you dont factor in people who call bbses once and never again.

    Yes, I think that's the problem he's describing that he wants to fix..

    Nightfox

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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 18:17:00 2023
    I can't say I really feel as strongly about it. I'm actually not sure there's anything really wrong with the SyncTerm web site.. One thing I actually like about that style of web page is that it's simple and loads fast, without a lot of added fluff (i.e., no ads!). I think that kind
    of web page helps you find what you're looking for more easily. What in particular would you change about it?

    *I* agree with you - its easy enough to tell non-BBS users to just click the flag and get on with standard installs, but for non-BBS users it can be a lot.

    I'd love if it had all thats there now, but maybe on thru a gitlab page, or other page of the site - with the landing page that looks updated and a nice 'Download' button at top that brings non-BBS users to current MacOS/Windows/Linux executables. (If available)



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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Digital Man on Tue Dec 12 18:19:00 2023
    Deuce is the master of the syncterm website, so you'd need to bring it
    up with him. He doesn't frequent DOVE-Net, but you can find him on irc.synchro.net (in #synchronet and other channels) and the syncterm support on sourceforge.net. --

    KK - I've reached out to him before about compile stuff and will do again. Again, its no biggy to ME - but for new users a landing page w/ a quick and easy 'Download' button that displays installable executables might help them understand easier.

    I'm thankful for all the info and different releases on the page - but I live in the terminal, too. :P



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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 18:20:00 2023
    Yes, I think that's the problem he's describing that he wants to fix..

    For example, the MuffinTerm website makes it super easy - a user can download the app or open in an App Store easily. (I know thats not SyncTERM, but... for example.)

    https://muffinterm.app



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to paulie420 on Tue Dec 12 19:00:53 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 2023 06:20 pm

    For example, the MuffinTerm website makes it super easy - a user can download the app or open in an App Store easily. (I know thats not SyncTERM, but... for example.)

    https://muffinterm.app

    I feel like comparing a mobile app to a desktop app this way is like comparing apples & oranges.. Naturally there will be some differences. But I think the SyncTerm web site is fairly easy too. There are download links for SyncTerm for Windows and MacOS toward the bottom of the page, just like there are links to MuffinTerm in the app store at the bottom of that page. It's not really clear to me what the difference is that you're pointing out.

    Nightfox

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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 20:03:00 2023
    But I think the SyncTerm web site is fairly easy too. There are
    download links for SyncTerm for Windows and MacOS toward the bottom of
    the page

    KK - no worries... I only was thinking of more non-BBS folks, but agree - I can fully navigate the ST site. :P



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wed Dec 13 13:34:53 2023
    Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Dec 12 2023 03:42 pm

    Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 2023 04:09 pm

    we won't have any 'young' users, or any people that can't navigate a website. that is if you dont factor in people who call bbses once and never again.

    Yes, I think that's the problem he's describing that he wants to fix..

    Nightfox

    well good luck with 'fixing' it.
    it wont happen. people that come and go dont contribute or build or bbs community.

    i think we need to increase our intergrating with existing popular websites. nostalgia does not cut it. we need to provide.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to paulie420 on Wed Dec 13 13:39:45 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 2023 06:17 pm

    I can't say I really feel as strongly about it. I'm actually not sure there's anything really wrong with the SyncTerm web site.. One thing I actually like about that style of web page is that it's simple and loads fast, without a lot of added fluff (i.e., no ads!). I think that kind
    of web page helps you find what you're looking for more easily. What in particular would you change about it?

    *I* agree with you - its easy enough to tell non-BBS users to just click the flag and get on with standard installs, but for non-BBS users it can be a lot.

    I'd love if it had all thats there now, but maybe on thru a gitlab page, or other page of the site - with the landing page that looks updated and a nice 'Download' button at top that brings non-BBS users to current MacOS/Windows/Linux executables. (If available)





    you can always emial deuce and ask him to make a change.
    have him make a link where it says 'download latest version" for win linuus os2 etc

    i believe sourceforge has you download the latest version.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to paulie420 on Wed Dec 13 13:42:59 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: paulie420 to Digital Man on Tue Dec 12 2023 06:19 pm

    Deuce is the master of the syncterm website, so you'd need to bring it up with him. He doesn't frequent DOVE-Net, but you can find him on irc.synchro.net (in #synchronet and other channels) and the syncterm support on sourceforge.net. --

    KK - I've reached out to him before about compile stuff and will do again. Again, its no biggy to ME - but for new users a landing page w/ a quick and easy 'Download' button that displays installable executables might help them understand easier.

    I'm thankful for all the info and different releases on the page - but I live in the terminal, too. :P



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    you should email deuce and try to explain to him that your idea might
    be benefitial with new users.


    and don't forgot this:
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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to paulie420 on Wed Dec 13 20:42:16 2023
    Question about SyncTERM, and the ST website - is there any interest in updating its style/website? Its... really retro - and fine for US, but is really a blockade for new users, or younger users...

    I think it would go a long way to help foster new users to our wonderful community.

    The site is hideous, but I think Deuce likes it that way.

    The gigantic waving flag was an "enhancement" following frequent complaints that people couldn't find the download link. They still have trouble locating it. I don't even recognize it as a download link until I stop being distracted by the minty horror of the page and focus on reading.

    I don't think we're going to get a lot of newcomers and young people coming along, but in general it's good for a website to sort of meet expectations / conventions so that the average visitor will grasp how to navigate it. So, to that end, maybe I'll throw together an updated version of the site and offer it to him.

    (This is my first DOVE-Net post from my new web UI, so apologies if anything's wonky with the formatting.)

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to echicken on Wed Dec 13 13:56:21 2023
    Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: echicken to paulie420 on Wed Dec 13 2023 08:42 pm

    (This is my first DOVE-Net post from my new web UI, so apologies if anything's wonky with the formatting.)

    Your message (as received here over DOVE-Net) had 2 tear lines, which is a bit unusual. I thought there were measures in place (in sbbs at least) to insure that couldn't happen. Consider using "-- \n" as your signature separator instead of "---\n". Section 4.3 of https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3676.txt
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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to paulie420 on Wed Dec 13 15:24:34 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 2023 06:20 pm

    For example, the MuffinTerm website makes it super easy - a user can downloa the app or open in an App Store easily. (I know thats not SyncTERM, but... f

    s/download the app or//

    *shakes fist*

    But I digress..

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to paulie420 on Wed Dec 13 16:29:22 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 2023 08:03 pm

    But I think the SyncTerm web site is fairly easy too. There are
    download links for SyncTerm for Windows and MacOS toward the bottom of
    the page

    KK - no worries... I only was thinking of more non-BBS folks, but agree - I can fully navigate the ST site. :P

    I had another look, and on 2nd thought, I think the page probably could be improved. Above the download links at the bottom, it says "the below links are almost certainly not what you want". The 'actual' download link is more toward the middle (under the flag), and there's also another link that says "or here". The page probably could be simplified a bit. And the color scheme could be better, I think.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Wed Dec 13 09:18:00 2023
    maybe he thinks we need some giant green animated arrow that says "DOWNLOAD HER
    "

    I was just there yesterday and I think it just might have something close
    to that.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Wed Dec 13 09:19:00 2023
    we won't have any 'young' users, or any people that can't navigate a website. that is if you dont factor in people who call bbses once and never again.

    Yes, I think that's the problem he's describing that he wants to fix..

    That was my impression also.


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  • From Hustler@VERT/REALITY to paulie420 on Wed Dec 13 19:21:51 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 2023 06:20 pm

    Yes, I think that's the problem he's describing that he wants to fix..

    For example, the MuffinTerm website makes it super easy - a user can downloa >
    https://muffinterm.app

    Muffinterm is only for Mac right?



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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Hustler on Wed Dec 13 20:19:52 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Hustler to paulie420 on Wed Dec 13 2023 07:21 pm

    Muffinterm is only for Mac right?

    iOS too.
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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Hustler on Wed Dec 13 19:50:00 2023
    https://muffinterm.app

    Muffinterm is only for Mac right?

    Yea - think so... I use it on my iPhone and iOS devices - its decent, but SyncTERM IMO is the app to beat.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to echicken on Thu Dec 14 02:09:09 2023
    Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: echicken to paulie420 on Wed Dec 13 2023 08:42 pm

    Question about SyncTERM, and the ST website - is there any interest in updating its style/website? Its... really retro - and fine for US, but is really a blockade for new users, or younger users...

    I think it would go a long way to help foster new users to our wonderful community.

    The site is hideous, but I think Deuce likes it that way.

    The gigantic waving flag was an "enhancement" following frequent complaints that people couldn't find the download link. They still have trouble locating it. I don't even recognize it as a download link until I stop being

    Yeah, his website makes my eyes bleed. maybe that's why i never update.
    it needs a marquee and under construction gif.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Dec 14 02:11:31 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Nightfox to paulie420 on Wed Dec 13 2023 04:29 pm

    KK - no worries... I only was thinking of more non-BBS folks, but agree - I can fully navigate the ST site. :P

    I had another look, and on 2nd thought, I think the page probably could be improved. Above the download links at the bottom, it says "the below links are almost certainly not what you want". The 'actual' download link is more toward the middle (under the flag), and there's also another link that says "or here". The page probably could be simplified a bit. And the color scheme could be better, I think.


    i have a javascript bookmarklet that removes colors.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Thu Dec 14 02:13:18 2023
    Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Dec 13 2023 09:18 am

    maybe he thinks we need some giant green animated arrow that says "DOWNLOAD HER
    "

    I was just there yesterday and I think it just might have something close
    to that.


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    i use an older version because i don't like the newer version's look. https://i.imgur.com/jNGc0Su.png
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Thu Dec 14 02:14:43 2023
    Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Wed Dec 13 2023 09:19 am

    we won't have any 'young' users, or any people that can't navigate a website. that is if you dont factor in people who call bbses once and never again.

    Yes, I think that's the problem he's describing that he wants to fix..

    That was my impression also.

    you both are understanding me wrong.

    We dont have users.

    And the people that are too dumb to download syncterm when dude has tons of links on the site wouldn't be good users that would stick around.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to paulie420 on Thu Dec 14 08:26:27 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 2023 08:03 pm

    But I think the SyncTerm web site is fairly easy too. There are download links for SyncTerm for Windows and MacOS toward the bottom of the page

    KK - no worries... I only was thinking of more non-BBS folks, but agree - I can fully navigate the ST site. :P



    non-bbs people don't want to call bbses. they'd rather have facebook, instagram, snapchat and other social media.

    if you want a non-bbs person to visit your bbs, have them use htmlterm on the specific bbs.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Dec 14 08:28:12 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Nightfox to paulie420 on Wed Dec 13 2023 04:29 pm

    I had another look, and on 2nd thought, I think the page probably could be improved. Above the download links at the bottom, it says "the below links are almost certainly not what you want". The 'actual' download link is more toward the middle (under the flag), and there's also another link that says "or here". The page probably could be simplified a bit. And the color scheme could be better, I think.

    maybe the page should automatically start the download for you when you visit. it.
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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to MRO on Thu Dec 14 06:19:00 2023
    you both are understanding me wrong.
    We dont have users.
    And the people that are too dumb to download syncterm when dude has tons of links on the site wouldn't be good users that would stick around.

    2oFB has 'users' - young ones who call once... and twice - and then call back and chat for a year.

    Its mostly because I market, runs ads in unique places and engage them in a nice and welcoming way when they pop up and say hey, I found a post on reddit or FB or at VCFSOCAL... but yea, 'we don't have users'. :P



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to paulie420 on Thu Dec 14 09:48:06 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Thu Dec 14 2023 06:19 am

    you both are understanding me wrong.
    We dont have users.
    And the people that are too dumb to download syncterm when dude has tons of links on the site wouldn't be good users that would stick around.

    2oFB has 'users' - young ones who call once... and twice - and then call back and chat for a year.

    Its mostly because I market, runs ads in unique places and engage them in

    a
    nice and welcoming way when they pop up and say hey, I found a post on reddit or FB or at VCFSOCAL... but yea, 'we don't have users'. :P

    If you say so.
    I wouldn't call what we get now as having much traffic or being active.
    What i see everywhere is a sysops calling other sysops and then the occasional curious visitor.

    I get the same activity as well. I'm about to lock it all down again
    except for datastream.

    I also see you and the people you hang out with get offended when i mention things arent that active anymore. Hey, it's not your fault. people have
    moved on.

    Too bad you werent around when it was actually active.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu Dec 14 09:35:00 2023
    you both are understanding me wrong.

    We dont have users.

    I actually have a few. The majority are older than I am, though.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to paulie420 on Thu Dec 14 14:28:00 2023
    paulie420 wrote to MRO <=-

    you both are understanding me wrong.
    We dont have users.
    And the people that are too dumb to download syncterm when dude has tons of links on the site wouldn't be good users that would stick around.

    2oFB has 'users' - young ones who call once... and twice - and
    then call back and chat for a year.

    Its mostly because I market, runs ads in unique places and engage
    them in a nice and welcoming way when they pop up and say hey, I
    found a post on reddit or FB or at VCFSOCAL... but yea, 'we don't
    have users'. :P

    MRO wrote "we" dont' have users, when he should have written "I" don't
    have users. That's because he has a crap board not even accessible to
    the public, and doesn't really know how to actually run a good one. He
    also doesn't understand words like "market" and "engage".

    He can't seem to realize that although it isn't like it was 25 years
    ago, there are still BBSs that get callers.

    I have a few users too, some that call every single day. Rock on.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Thu Dec 14 19:04:09 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Gamgee to paulie420 on Thu Dec 14 2023 02:28 pm

    there are still BBSs that get callers.

    I have a few users too, some that call every single day. Rock on.

    I've had some regulars too (and sometimes they come and go), and at least some of them, I'm pretty sure aren't sysops of other BBSes.

    Nightfox

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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to MRO on Thu Dec 14 19:12:00 2023
    I also see you and the people you hang out with get offended when i mention things arent that active anymore. Hey, it's not your fault. people have moved on.

    Too bad you werent around when it was actually active.

    ? I went away in 97 until 2017 - adulting, and all.
    But 90-97 was a fun time..



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  • From j0HNNY a1PHA@VERT/R3TR0X to paulie420 on Thu Dec 14 20:19:08 2023
    ? I went away in 97 until 2017 - adulting, and all.
    But 90-97 was a fun time..

    Similar time-frames, my friend! I consider my "active" years to be
    1992-1996. Retruned around 2018. It's a different time now, but still a
    blast.

    I really dig the way you've been able to attract/educate a whole new crop
    of folks to BBSing with your outreach, welcome and patient explanations.

    My favorite thing is when people return to BBSing, while they often
    express surprise it still exists, they are so glad it does.

    I agree -- the syncterm site could use a little modernization, and
    it's a geat program. I'll also point more tech-savvy folks to IcyTerm,
    MagiTerm and Netrunner (I know you do, too)!

    Cheers,


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Fri Dec 15 07:03:52 2023
    Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Dec 14 2023 09:35 am

    you both are understanding me wrong.

    We dont have users.

    I actually have a few. The majority are older than I am, though.


    yeah i have a few too. i dont really consider that normal capacity.
    a few years back we got hit with a big slump and it hasn't bounced back.

    there's a lot of people in denial about that or just don't have a good enough perspective because they haven't been around a long time.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Gamgee on Fri Dec 15 07:07:32 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Gamgee to paulie420 on Thu Dec 14 2023 02:28 pm

    MRO wrote "we" dont' have users, when he should have written "I" don't
    have users. That's because he has a crap board not even accessible to
    the public, and doesn't really know how to actually run a good one. He
    also doesn't understand words like "market" and "engage".

    yeah you dont know shit about me, you havent ran a system as long as i do, and your information is entirely wrong. Like every word you said about my bbs
    and me is incorrect. furthermore, i run multiple bbses which you still
    can't wrap your empty head around.

    nobody has done more for bbs promotion in the last 23 years or so than i have. I've offered free services, i advertised for bbses (even bought advertising)
    and I've helped hundreds of people.

    He can't seem to realize that although it isn't like it was 25 years
    ago, there are still BBSs that get callers.

    no you cant seem to realize that if you are standing outside and some dew drops from a leaf, it doesn't mean it's raining.

    I have a few users too, some that call every single day. Rock on.

    yeah rock on with your pathetic self. and your 5 years.

    And i've been on your bbs. it's shitty and boring. so you have no right calling anything shitty, dude. put some effort in your system before you try to sling shit at anybody.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Fri Dec 15 07:08:20 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Thu Dec 14 2023 07:04 pm

    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Gamgee to paulie420 on Thu Dec 14 2023 02:28 pm

    there are still BBSs that get callers.

    I have a few users too, some that call every single day. Rock on.

    I've had some regulars too (and sometimes they come and go), and at least some of them, I'm pretty sure aren't sysops of other BBSes.



    yes, good for everyone and their 2 people that call!
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to j0HNNY a1PHA on Fri Dec 15 07:12:55 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: j0HNNY a1PHA to paulie420 on Thu Dec 14 2023 08:19 pm

    Similar time-frames, my friend! I consider my "active" years to be 1992-1996.

    like around the mid 90s there was a lot of activity that a lot of people
    call 'the third wave'

    we also had a rush of activity in the early 2000's but it wasn't as big as
    the third wave.

    I really dig the way you've been able to attract/educate a whole new crop
    of folks to BBSing with your outreach, welcome and patient explanations.

    dude you really have no idea how much money i've spent out of pocket on promoting bbsing and just staying up until 3am when i wake up at 6am helping people. i did that for a very long time.

    My favorite thing is when people return to BBSing, while they often
    express surprise it still exists, they are so glad it does.

    when they come back they check it out but those people go away and don't come back. i tried to bring back people from the huge bbses and they have moved on.
    people prefer social media.

    I agree -- the syncterm site could use a little modernization, and
    it's a geat program. I'll also point more tech-savvy folks to IcyTerm, MagiTerm and Netrunner (I know you do, too)!


    i either use mtelnet or syncterm. i've used netrunner and magiterm but they have a few things that rub me the wrong way.

    you should just tell them to use htmlterm because then they dont need to dick around with a client.
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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to Nightfox on Fri Dec 15 06:20:28 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Thu Dec 14 2023 07:04 pm

    I've had some regulars too (and sometimes they come and go), and at least some of them, I'm pretty sure aren't sysops of other BBSes.

    I have around 12 regulars... maybe half of them are other sysops.

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  • From Dan Clough@VERT to MRO on Fri Dec 15 07:50:43 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: MRO to Gamgee on Fri Dec 15 2023 07:07 am

    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Gamgee to paulie420 on Thu Dec 14 2023 02:28 pm

    MRO wrote "we" dont' have users, when he should have written "I" don't have users. That's because he has a crap board not even accessible to the public, and doesn't really know how to actually run a good one. He also doesn't understand words like "market" and "engage".

    yeah you dont know shit about me, you havent ran a system as long as i do,

    I know enough about you. Although I had a long break from running a system, I'll wager I was running a system before you were, for several years. The Fidonet nodelist archives will prove that if you care to look.

    He can't seem to realize that although it isn't like it was 25 years
    ago, there are still BBSs that get callers.

    no you cant seem to realize that if you are standing outside and some dew drops from a leaf, it doesn't mean it's raining.

    LOL! You just proved my point, right there. Here, I'll try to explain it so you can understand. I'm typing very slowly here... Your attempt at a metaphor was not too bad, actually, and I take it to mean that although the number of callers/users has decreased dramatically (the dew drops vs rain), they are still callers. Today. Not 25 years ago. Thanks! Game, set, match.

    I have a few users too, some that call every single day. Rock on.

    yeah rock on with your pathetic self. and your 5 years.

    Yep, 5 years presently, and some years back in the 90's (see above). At least my board is publicly accessible, and actually gets new and regular callers. Why are you hiding yours? Because it's completely stock and boring? <CHORTLE>
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Fri Dec 15 07:56:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Gamgee to paulie420 on Thu Dec 14 2023 02:28 pm

    there are still BBSs that get callers.

    I have a few users too, some that call every single day. Rock on.

    I've had some regulars too (and sometimes they come and go), and
    at least some of them, I'm pretty sure aren't sysops of other
    BBSes.

    Yes, that's good. I'm very sure many of my users are not sysops,
    although some are.

    MRO is somewhat detached from reality. ;-)



    ... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.
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  • From j0HNNY a1PHA@VERT/R3TR0X to MRO on Fri Dec 15 06:14:00 2023
    you should just tell them to use htmlterm because then they dont need
    to dick around with a client.

    Yeah, HTML/wss definitely the path of least resistance for new folks.
    Easiest way to get them in.

    I guess BBSing will continue to be a niche thing, and there is definitely
    less activity than when I returned a while back. It seems to spike every
    now and then, but it's always pretty low. I'm grateful for the people who
    *are* here, and stick around :)

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dan Clough on Fri Dec 15 09:32:27 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Dan Clough to MRO on Fri Dec 15 2023 07:50 am

    Why are you hiding yours? Because it's completely stock and boring? <CHORTLE>

    i'm not hiding anything.
    don't know what you are talking about.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Gamgee on Fri Dec 15 09:33:27 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Dec 15 2023 07:56 am


    Yes, that's good. I'm very sure many of my users are not sysops,
    although some are.

    MRO is somewhat detached from reality. ;-)


    still dont know what you have against me. you have always gone out of your
    way to take shots at me even though most of the time you were on my
    twatlist.

    think i'll add you back if you don't improve your entertainment value.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to j0HNNY a1PHA on Fri Dec 15 09:34:18 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: j0HNNY a1PHA to MRO on Fri Dec 15 2023 06:14 am

    you should just tell them to use htmlterm because then they dont need
    to dick around with a client.

    Yeah, HTML/wss definitely the path of least resistance for new folks. Easiest way to get them in.

    I guess BBSing will continue to be a niche thing, and there is definitely less activity than when I returned a while back. It seems to spike every
    now and then, but it's always pretty low. I'm grateful for the people who *are* here, and stick around :)


    i really thought stuff like flashterm and rick parrish's work would have blown the lid off of bbsing and make it popular but that time i was wrong.
    maybe it was too late at that point.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Fri Dec 15 20:37:00 2023
    MRO wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Dan Clough to MRO on Fri Dec 15 2023 07:50 am

    Why are you hiding yours? Because it's completely stock and boring? <CHORTLE>

    i'm not hiding anything.
    don't know what you are talking about.

    You playing dumb is..... comical.

    As I said previously (and you snipped), your "BBS" is not publicly
    accessible. That's what you're hiding, doofus.



    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Fri Dec 15 20:41:00 2023
    MRO wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Dec 15 2023 07:56 am

    Yes, that's good. I'm very sure many of my users are not sysops,
    although some are.

    MRO is somewhat detached from reality. ;-)

    still dont know what you have against me.

    I don't like blowhards or bullshitters. You're both.

    you have always gone out of your way to take shots at me

    I've done nothing that you have not done.

    think i'll add you back if you don't improve your entertainment
    value.

    Whatever blows your dress up. Knock yourself out.


    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    Synchronet Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to j0HNNY a1PHA on Fri Dec 15 21:24:00 2023
    ? I went away in 97 until 2017 - adulting, and all.
    But 90-97 was a fun time..

    Similar time-frames, my friend! I consider my "active" years to be 1992-1996. Retruned around 2018. It's a different time now, but still a blast.

    :P MRO is just the local arsehole - always has been...



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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to MRO on Fri Dec 15 21:25:00 2023
    yeah you dont know shit about me, you havent ran a system as long as i
    do, and your information is entirely wrong. Like every word you said
    about my bbs and me is incorrect. furthermore, i run multiple bbses
    which you still can't wrap your empty head around.

    Such a big...



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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to MRO on Fri Dec 15 21:26:00 2023
    Similar time-frames, my friend! I consider my "active" years to be 1992-1996.

    like around the mid 90s there was a lot of activity that a lot of people call 'the third wave'

    we also had a rush of activity in the early 2000's but it wasn't as big
    as the third wave.

    I really dig the way you've been able to attract/educate a whole new cr of folks to BBSing with your outreach, welcome and patient explanations

    dude you really have no idea how much money i've spent out of pocket on promoting bbsing and just staying up until 3am when i wake up at 6am helping people. i did that for a very long time.

    My favorite thing is when people return to BBSing, while they often express surprise it still exists, they are so glad it does.

    when they come back they check it out but those people go away and don't come back. i tried to bring back people from the huge bbses and they
    have moved on. people prefer social media.

    I agree -- the syncterm site could use a little modernization, and
    it's a geat program. I'll also point more tech-savvy folks to IcyTerm, MagiTerm and Netrunner (I know you do, too)!


    i either use mtelnet or syncterm. i've used netrunner and magiterm but they have a few things that rub me the wrong way.

    you should just tell them to use htmlterm because then they dont need to dick around with a client.

    You forgot to tell them how much of a loser newbie they are - cmon, MRO, get on top of yer game.



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  • From nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to paulie420 on Sat Dec 16 01:21:02 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: paulie420 to j0HNNY a1PHA on Fri Dec 15 2023 21:24:00

    :P MRO is just the local arsehole - always has been...

    I wouldn't know, he's been in my shitlist for a long time. Never see any posts. ---
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Gamgee on Sat Dec 16 05:14:26 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Dec 15 2023 08:37 pm

    MRO wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Dan Clough to MRO on Fri Dec 15 2023 07:50 am

    Why are you hiding yours? Because it's completely stock and boring? <CHORTLE>

    i'm not hiding anything.
    don't know what you are talking about.

    You playing dumb is..... comical.

    what the fuck are you talking about?
    both my bbses are public.

    are you talking about bbses.info?
    bbses.info was just a back end for the services i ran.
    it had the files from bbstorrents and ads for the bbses from bbsbanner

    you really dont know shit.

    As I said previously (and you snipped), your "BBS" is not publicly accessible. That's what you're hiding, doofus.

    i have 2 public bbses. if you're talking about bbses.info there's not
    much there. it's defunct aside from me using it for msg nets.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Gamgee on Sat Dec 16 05:16:00 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Dec 15 2023 08:41 pm

    still dont know what you have against me.

    I don't like blowhards or bullshitters. You're both.

    your wife blew hard on all your navy buddies.

    i'm not a bullshitter. i always tell the truth.

    you have always gone out of your way to take shots at me

    I've done nothing that you have not done.


    i don't even know who the fuck you are, and you've just always been a 'me too' guy attacking me when i'm arguing with someone else.

    you can't fight your own battles.

    think i'll add you back if you don't improve your entertainment
    value.

    Whatever blows your dress up. Knock yourself out.


    yeah i gave you another chance but you're stupid and boring as usual.
    i'll block you after sending this post out.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to paulie420 on Sat Dec 16 05:16:56 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: paulie420 to j0HNNY a1PHA on Fri Dec 15 2023 09:24 pm

    blast.

    :P MRO is just the local arsehole - always has been...



    you're another guy that has not been around long enough to say anything
    about anything. and you don't know me. you are also another guy i took out of my block list but you're going back.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to paulie420 on Sat Dec 16 05:17:38 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Fri Dec 15 2023 09:26 pm


    you should just tell them to use htmlterm because then they dont need to dick around with a client.

    You forgot to tell them how much of a loser newbie they are - cmon, MRO, get on top of yer game.


    fuck off , idiot.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to nelgin on Sat Dec 16 05:17:59 2023
    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: nelgin to paulie420 on Sat Dec 16 2023 01:21 am

    Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: paulie420 to j0HNNY a1PHA on Fri Dec 15 2023 21:24:00

    :P MRO is just the local arsehole - always has been...

    I wouldn't know, he's been in my shitlist for a long time. Never see any posts.

    from that time i proved you wrong. :D
    too much for your little ego to handle.

    but does everyone here see what i mean?

    I say we don't have users (which is a fact) and these delusional people
    take it personally and attack me. happens every time.

    it's not like it's their fault that bbses have had a slow slump for the last couple of years, but they take it personally.

    Mob mentality and delusions up the ass.

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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to MRO on Sat Dec 16 09:58:00 2023
    you're another guy that has not been around long enough to say anything about anything. and you don't know me. you are also another guy i took out of my block list but you're going back.

    Shhhhhhhh



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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to MRO on Sat Dec 16 09:59:00 2023
    but does everyone here see what i mean?

    I say we don't have users (which is a fact) and these delusional people take it personally and attack me. happens every time.

    And I just disagree - some of us, who have been pushing and marketing our bbSes - like we did in the 90s - do have unique users. I reply to dozens a week welcoming them and explaining bbSes to them - and a few stick around!

    But again - I'm sure you don't have users.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sat Dec 16 09:39:00 2023
    I actually have a few. The majority are older than I am, though.

    yeah i have a few too. i dont really consider that normal capacity.
    a few years back we got hit with a big slump and it hasn't bounced back.

    Yeah, far far from capacity. I seemed to get a little bump during COVID,
    but that has not held up.

    there's a lot of people in denial about that or just don't have a good enough rspective because they haven't been around a long time.

    There are a few boards that do get a lot of traffic, although not full
    capacity and maybe mostly other sysops. Maybe they are more l33t than most
    of us. :D More power to them, though. Whatever is working for them, I wouldn't discourage.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 16 17:41:55 2023
    Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Dec 16 2023 09:39 am


    There are a few boards that do get a lot of traffic, although not full capacity and maybe mostly other sysops. Maybe they are more l33t than most of us. :D More power to them, though. Whatever is working for them, I wouldn't discourage.


    i will say the asian bbses are still going strong.
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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to MRO on Sat Dec 16 17:29:00 2023
    There are a few boards that do get a lot of traffic, although not full capacity and maybe mostly other sysops. Maybe they are more l33t than of us. :D More power to them, though. Whatever is working for them, wouldn't discourage.

    i will say the asian bbses are still going strong.

    I've tried many times to get an account on PTT2/3, but they require you to be a citizen and use 2factor auth - even with a translation software, I couldn't get in...

    They used to have 300,000 ACTIVE users and have remained online this entire time with what I think we'd consider heavy usage even through today.

    I wish I could get in... there was a great article a decade ago that displayed many of their art over the years - a PETSCII/ANSi style that was really impressive.

    Felt like a corporate BBS, even bigger, with mods and co-sysops helping with the community.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Dec 17 10:57:00 2023
    There are a few boards that do get a lot of traffic, although not full
    capacity and maybe mostly other sysops. Maybe they are more l33t than most >> of us. :D More power to them, though. Whatever is working for them, I
    wouldn't discourage.

    i will say the asian bbses are still going strong.

    Yeah, in the past few years there was discussion of one in Taiwan that is
    very active, and about the software that powers it. I was curious so I
    tried to check it out but it is very much all in Chinese. ;)

    Back in the day, a network I was on (GT Power) had several nodes in Taiwan,
    but they also mostly participated amongst themselves. The only time you
    really realized they were around was when some of the users would post in
    the equivalent of the FIDO Asia Link echo.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Mon Dec 18 08:15:39 2023
    Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Dec 17 2023 10:57 am

    There are a few boards that do get a lot of traffic, although not full
    capacity and maybe mostly other sysops. Maybe they are more l33t than most >> of us. :D More power to them, though. Whatever is working for them, I
    wouldn't discourage.

    i will say the asian bbses are still going strong.

    Yeah, in the past few years there was discussion of one in Taiwan that is very active, and about the software that powers it. I was curious so I tried to check it out but it is very much all in Chinese. ;)

    Back in the day, a network I was on (GT Power) had several nodes in Taiwan, but they also mostly participated amongst themselves. The only time you really realized they were around was when some of the users would post in the equivalent of the FIDO Asia Link echo.



    I used to just poke around on one of the popular ones but dude put in a kind of capcha thing. I think you have to visit a website and enter the code. i can't remember, it was a few years ago. Also i could barely make out what they were saying. I can make out some norwegian and german but taiwanese is beyond my abilities.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to j0HNNY a1PHA on Sun Dec 17 07:45:00 2023
    j0HNNY a1PHA wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Similar time-frames, my friend! I consider my "active" years to be 1992-1996. Retruned around 2018. It's a different time now, but still a blast.

    Those were good times for BBSing. I called BBSes starting in 1987,
    started my own in 1991, and during that period remember the BBS being
    busy almost full-time until I got a BlueWave offline message reader door
    in 1993 or so. Windows 95 came out and we were all in denial, but could
    see the number of callers drop.

    I went mail-only in 2001 and at that point my BBS had something like
    74,000 calls in 10 years.



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  • From Nopants@VERT/CITBBS to MRO on Mon Dec 18 15:36:00 2023
    Re: SyncTERM website...
    By: MRO to echicken on Thu Dec 14 2023 02:09 am

    Yeah, his website makes my eyes bleed. maybe that's why i never update.
    it needs a marquee and under construction gif.

    https://www.marvel.com/captainmarvel

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